A lot of H1-Bs are from India. They can easily move back and get very well paying jobs back home. I would even say that in terms of purchasing power, they’ll be better off in India - salaries of $80-100k are common for pedigreed tech talent, and your expenses won’t be more than $20-25k.
So what is your threshold of classing a behavior as excerting force? Using whiplashes and locks? I suspect that even then you would find an argument to bootlick.
Exactly. It is the THREAT of execution that exerts all of the force. After you are executed you probably don't care anymore. But I am not an after-life expert.
I’m not sure if you are just being pedantic or intentionally obtuse. Of course no one is being physically forced to work at Twitter. But you surely recognize that some people have limited viable choices not to.
While having the choice to quit, uproot the entire family and leave the country you’ve called home for many years is a choice technically, it’s not a choice most people are in a position to realistically make.
Honestly your attitude here and in other comments over the years has turned me off using D forever. No one in power in the Rust community would be able to get away with the sorts of comments you're making.
(The Rust community has its own very serious issues but no one would even try to say "boo hoo if they don't like it they can just uproot their lives and go back to a place they specifically got away from, nbd")
> they can just uproot their lives and go back to a place they specifically got away from, nbd
What I said was they were not forced to stay. I've read a number of history books, and what forced labor is is very clear. Besides, when one comes to the US on a Visa one chooses to accept the terms, and they do not include a guarantee of lifetime employment.
What I actually believe in is freedom and individual rights, and my posts are consistent with that. At least I hope so!
As for D, it is Boost licensed. It is the most free license I could find. You can do whatever you like with the code, as long as the copyright is included. (I would have made it public domain, but that isn't recognized in many countries.)
Each member of the D community has their own reasons for contributing, and many (myself included) do not receive any compensation. It's just our gift to you and everyone else.
It is your right to use it, or not, as you please.
P.S. The D Foundation also discourages politics of any sort in the discussion forums. I don't even know what the politics of the other contributors are. It's not relevant.
Considering that you are so pedantic about definitions, in which dictionary does "forced to stay" equal to "forced labor"?
More generally your interpretation of "forced" seems to be extremely narrow. How would you interpret a statement like "today at work I was forced to attend two completely useless meetings", which IMO is perfectly common use of the word "forced", but certainly does not imply that security was standing in front of the door monitoring who goes in and out.
I'm not being weird about it. Just calling out the idea that Musk is forcing people to work for him is hyperbolic. If you want to call Musk mean, arrogant, uncaring, bad, etc., that's all fine.
Wikipedia's definition is not official anything. It's a commonly accepted (and rather expansive) definition of the phrase. I did not invent my own personal definition of it.
Seems you've decided that instead of adding value to the discussion by saying anything of interest, you're just quibbling about word definitions. Pretty lazy?
Every decision made by anybody in life arises from a mix of choice, circumstances and coercion [1]. The relative proportions of each depend on the person and the decision. What's often described as "privilege" really is the ability to make decisions with less coercion and more choice than other people in similar circumstances.
If someone is making a decision primarily based on coercion—and having to uproot your life absolutely is coercion—saying that "no actually, it's a choice" is unkind. In 2013 Tumblr terms, I implore you to check your privilege.
[1] I've stolen this rubric from the sex work community, which is at the leading edge not just in infosec but also in the philosophy of labor.
Is there any reason why you chose to capitalize 'Visa' (sic) in your comment? I've read a number of policies and documents and this is the first instance I've seen it represented in that way. Given your own reading history, I'm sure that there is a good reason - we wouldn't want to be incorrect and inaccurate, of course. For all we know, you could be talking about the company, or the credit card!
